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    Meditation: Weekly Discussion - November 09 2020

    Meditation: Weekly Discussion - November 09 2020


    Weekly Discussion - November 09 2020

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 07:09 AM PST

    This is a reoccuring thread for questions relating to your practice and discussion around your experiences.

    Questions

    Ask questions relating to your practice, the theory of meditation, various traditions and lineages of thought, or practical tips. If you're new, please read our FAQ before posting, as it contains a wealth of information that all of us should come back to occasionally.

    Discussion

    Also use this thread for a more free-form discussion of your experiences and other tidbits that might not warrant their own full post. Use this space to connect with the /r/meditation community, it won't be heavily moderated.

    Also check out the monthly meditation challenge.

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    How many of you have tried being non-judgmental?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 09:25 AM PST

    It's a very important aspect of mindfulness and only recently have I realized how deep my tendency to judge can be.

    For example, I don't waste time around people that I don't find to be interesting. I get repulsed easily by certain people, just from their mannerisms. I get shy and embarrassed to tell people about my life, because it may not be as bright as their expectation. When it comes to meditation, I have a tendency to judge my performance after the session.

    My mind is judging all the time. Even this statement is a judgmental one because maybe it isn't as bad as I think it is. Things can get complicated if you go deep on this road, but one thing I realized is, the world becomes a much more fun place to be without all the judgment. Fun for me and those around me.

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    I want to try loving kindness meditation but it feels like I'm kidding myself when I practice it.

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 11:43 PM PST

    I've struggled with positive emotions for years now. Depression, anxiety, rumination, OCD you name it.

    When I am being told to "love myself" I just can't put an emotion to it. When I am told to give love I always picture my sick members of my family and my loving partner and daughter but applying it to myself incurs a nagging "youre kidding yourself" inner monologue.

    Any advice or help would be appreciated on how to best approach this meditation.

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    I tripped while meditating today

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 05:42 PM PST

    I'm on 52 days as of today meditating for about 30-60 minutes a day, it has been getting more and more intense as the weeks go by. I can feel myself becoming more comfortable with meditation and grounded to my consciousness as every day passes.

    I've dabbled with mushrooms before and today while meditating I got deep enough that it felt like I was on a mushroom trip, my eyes being closed I started seeing pinwheels of colors, at first I experienced panic and wanted to open my eyes but convinced myself to move forward to complete the experience.

    My hands were clammy, I felt light and blissful like nothing else matters in the world other than this moment. Once I finished the meditation when I opened my eyes I felt naseuous it was that intense. I've struggled with anxiety my entire life and the only cure that has worked long term for me has been meditation and I am truly grateful.

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    This is kind of meta, but isn’t there a huge problem with smugness in the meditation community?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 01:47 PM PST

    I found a lot of people who meditate miss the point and are driven by ego and think they're better and more "woke" than those who don't.

    I'm not saying that's the majority but I think it's an issue which does turn people off the practice who could benefit from it.

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    Meditation showed me my greatest enemy

    Posted: 10 Nov 2020 03:00 AM PST

    I began daily meditation practice as a way to help with getting sober and dealing with a lifetime of depression and anxiety. Daily practice has helped me with those things and I consider daily mindfulness practice to be just as important or even more important than daily physical exercise. As I have continued with daily practice, it has been interesting to see the things that meditation has revealed to me.

    Arguably the most important thing that regular meditation practice has show me is who my worst enemy is. Just as movies and books often feature a "good guy" and a "bad guy", it seems that our real life stories include these characters as well.

    I have found that I have an enemy that is hellbent on destroying me. My enemy knows my weaknesses and exploits them as often as he is able to. My enemy causes me to doubt the evidence for good in the world and to concentrate only on the bad. My enemy keeps me so busy with useless thoughts and destructive mindsets that it often seems overwhelming.

    As you probably know, the enemy I'm talking about is that voice in my head that seems to never want to shut up. Some call it the ego, but I'm sure it goes by a lot of names. Daily mindfulness practice has shown me that this enemy exists and this simple bit of realization has proven to be extremely powerful.

    From the moment I wake up in the morning and begin my day I can hear this internal foe beginning the efforts to take over. I get inundated with thoughts of "what if this happens?" or "I should do this today, or that today, or a million other things." This traitorous voice will whisper to me, saying "You are stupid. You have screwed up your life. You are a failure." And so on.

    This enemy seems to never stop or run out of energy. He will distract me with regrets and arguments from things that happened years ago. He will lay out detailed imaginary arguments about things that have not even happened yet. This enemy of mine seems to be an expert at creating these simulations of negative experiences that will never happen, but still seem real and still rob me of time and energy when I give in and interact with them.

    All is not lost, though. This is where the power of meditation has really come through for me. For 47 years of my life I walked around with this enemy working on me around the clock. It got to the point where I was depressed all the time. I drank away the voice of the enemy as best as I could for years, only to realize that I had become a depressed, miserable alcoholic in the process. I spent years engaged in battle with this internal dialog and never even knew I was doing it until daily meditation practice allowed me to finally witness the existence of this internal dialog and war that was going on.

    By taking time every day to be still and to observe my thoughts I was able to see that there was this part of me that was dedicated to keeping me worried, fearful, angry, jealous and worst of all it made me believe that I hated myself. Observing that this internal voice simply keeps going and that I am not that voice, but am aware of it (finally) has been a positive result from meditation that I will forever be thankful for.

    I know that I am not that voice. I know that this enemy part of me simply lives in the past (constantly dredging up its recollection of horrible memories) or tries to foretell the future (forecasting the worst or most troublesome outcomes for everything that I might do.) Meditation has shown me that like everything else, the things this internal enemy says will eventually fade away. Nothing lasts forever and since I am not this voice that chatters away all day I do not have to be invested in what he says.

    Even better, though, meditation has shown me that if I am aware of this internal enemy then I can acknowledge him. I can make room during practice to invite him to be still with me. If he wants to send negative thoughts, I can see those thoughts and allow them to dissipate like every other thought or emotion I have ever had. Amazingly enough, being aware of this voice, acknowledging what it says and not getting caught up in the internal dialogue has seemed to make these negative thoughts go away faster and to come around less frequently.

    Perhaps all this "enemy" of mine wanted/needed was to be acknowledged and loved. For it seems that once I hear it begin to start up I simply acknowledge what is being said and let those thoughts run their course without pushing them away or holding onto them, and now I am no longer a prisoner to those thoughts or a victim of the actions that those thoughts used to lead me to.

    TLDR - Part of me is my own worst enemy - always regretting the past or worried about the future. Mindfulness practice has revealed this enemy to me, and now that I am aware of what it is doing, it seems to be much easier to simply let those negative thoughts and emotions go back to where they came from.

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    Meditation advice

    Posted: 10 Nov 2020 12:24 AM PST

    Ask any question. I'll give you some ideas.

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    Any easy way to get into meditation?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 08:33 PM PST

    I find whenever I try to meditate I just lose interest in it after a few days. Any ways you've found to stick with it, make it more fun, etc?

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    Is taking an anxiety drug “anti meditation”?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 05:49 PM PST

    Please hear me out:

    Mindfulness teaches that we should recognize we are simply the space within which all emotions occur, including unpleasant ones such as anxiety. Any desire to change or alter our emotions should be observed as simply another phenomenon appearing in consciousness.

    So, if I take a pill like Xanax to relieve anxiety, am I not reinforcing this egoic notion that I am" the anxiety and that the anxiety is something to get rid of? It seems like this could be a failure to recognize the intrinsic freedom of consciousness.

    Please note that I am not in any way bashing medications nor judging/criticizing those who take them. In fact, I ask because I take psychiatric medications myself. And of course, NOBODY should ever stop taking or alter the doses of their prescribed medication without first consulting and obtaining the approval of their prescribing physician.

    Thank you!

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    Scary meditation, not sure if I did it wrong?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 10:46 PM PST

    Hey, so I don't have a true meditation practice. I use guided meditation to sleep sometimes and I do the savasna at the end of yoga. I just did a short yoga practice tonight and went into the savasana, just laying down on the mat. Just music, no guided. I did a visualization thing where I imagined energy coming from my body into my palms into glowing orbs. I then scanned energy through my body and thought about breathing in to gather energy and breathing out to send the orbs into the sky. I dunno, it sounds weird but I was just doing it to be calm. Then I thought about floating into the sky and stars and that's when it got weird. Like, I was aware of my body on Earth and that I wasn't "seeing" anything, but I saw this purple glowing being? And I just got the feeling that I wasn't supposed to know about it. Part of my brain kept rationalizing that it wasn't real and that I was just at home on my mat, while another part was just fully convinced this was real and was curious but mostly I was just freaking out. My eyes were twitching and my fingers started spasming. I knew the timer for the meditation was coming up soon, and I still felt grounded, but part of my brain was just not there. I ended and I'm still really rattled by it. It was really really freaky to me.

    I just remember a massive light humanoid. It was purple. I felt it watching me, but I also felt like perhaps I wasn't supposed to be there. I wanted to keep going but I was also terrified for some reason. The more I watched it or tried to observe, the more my eyes started twitching more violently, like really agressive uncontrolled blinking and my fingers were just twitching like mad. And finally, the timer went and I came back. But I'm still just mulling over it. And I'm terrified to meditate again. Was that just a normal thing with meditation? Again, I don't have a set practice, I just do it casually I guess? maybe to be "safer" I need to learn to do this better. but man this was fucking scary.

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    Is meditation supposed to make you cry?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 05:47 PM PST

    I decided to try meditating today, I did it before but I can never focus. Today was different for some reason, I went on YouTube and typed in 5 minute meditation and came across a video. It was such a surreal experience, when the video ended I started to cry. I don't know why but it felt relieving. I really hope I can be consistent this time around because that felt good. I feel good right now.

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    I am different from ordinary people.

    Posted: 10 Nov 2020 02:24 AM PST

    Other people are excited, as though they were at a parade. I alone don't care, I alone am expressionless, like an infant before it can smile.

    Other people have what they need; I alone possess nothing. I alone drift about, like someone without a home. I am like an idiot, my mind is so empty.

    Other people are bright; I alone am dark. Other people are sharp; I alone am dull. Other people have purpose; I alone don't know. I drift like a wave on the ocean, I blow as aimless as the wind.

    I am different from ordinary people. I drink from the Great Mother's breasts.

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    Disturbing images while meditating.

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 10:32 PM PST

    So a few months back I started to think about meditation (my girlfriend does it regularly) and she gave me some things to do. No one was home one day so I thought I would try it. I have looked at multiple basic meditation youtube videos as a start so I thought I was good. I got about 3 minutes in and this dog like thing with a mouth split three ways, a lot of teeth, and two very dark eyes appeared in my mind. I tried for a few days after that incident but always saw that. Even trying to sleep or work was a struggle because I would just see that image in my mind. I do not know if this is something that is know or if its something from my own imagination but I haven't told anyone about It or have done meditation since but I do want to get back into it.

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    Help

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 09:39 PM PST

    Hey I made a few similar posts about this, but this time is different. I've been releasing density for the passed few months. Recently it's been getting kind of intense/overwhelming. For example, whenever I touch certain things I get this sensation that my breathe is being restricted for a few seconds. Tonight it's gotten really intense though and kind of scary. It's like I can't go a few seconds without having that feeling. Does this get better? I keep reminding myself that it's all part of the process, but in the moment it's hard. I also have anxiety which doesn't help things.

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    Kind of Strange unpleasant feeling between my eyes while meditating.

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 07:06 PM PST

    Whenever I try to concentrate on my breathing, some kind of pressure starts in between my eyes and increase gradually. Due to that, I can not concentrate on my breathing or my thoughts or anything. Moreover, now it starts while reading or watching tv or phone. It's like while meditating instead of getting calm I become more furious because of not able to meditate. I tried guided meditation clips and music, relax my whole body. Still, some kind of pain is there in the middle of my eyes. Is it good or bad? I don't know. can anyone please help me by giving me some tips? Did anyone ever experience this kind of thing in your meditation journey?

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    Had a mental breakdown, had to reset myself and change habits to get better but now feel like I lost 'that thing' and generally am more aware yet complicated than before.. help

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 08:22 PM PST

    In 2019 I had a mental breakdown and since then my confidence has gotten so low I cant even perform music to people anymore (this was the main thing I did), I constantly shut people out, i think people naturally people dont like me and I cant find the time to fully appreciate what people say or do.

    It was inevitable as I was living a 'happy' yet very destructive lifestyle since I was 17, now 27.

    I was meditating a bit when I was 16, I lucid dream 50% of the time and am highly involved with my dreams and thoughts.

    I have so much anxiety now and such an overthinking problem since my breakdown last year. Its like I underwent some sort of ego death but I just feel like a lesser person.

    I want to meditate and make peace with these intrusive thoughts as they are holding me back so much, I need something more than mindfulness something almost spiritually surgical, I need to balance out and get to the next stage of my development.

    Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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    What is Meditation?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 05:44 PM PST

    Is it the state of complete bliss, or the sense of void being in thoughtlessness state?

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    How can you be aware of the breath without changing it?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 08:08 AM PST

    I am practicing mindfulness on this app called Headspace. The guided voice says to bring my focus to the breath, but once I do I start taking deeper and longer breaths and my breath is no longer natural. Is it ok to control my breath during meditation isntead of letting it go on its own?

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    Weird Experiences.

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 11:11 PM PST

    Hi, I would like to share a couple of experiences that I went through in my life. I'm not sure if they are clairvoyance or just pure coincidences. But there have been two vivid times when I couldn't just shake it off as a natural phenomenon or just the human mind playing tricks on you. One of the earliest memory of something strange occurred to me as a child was when I had a graphic image of a baby bird in of hands. It felt like I knew how this circumstance occurred and what was happening around me at that exact moment. Another way to describe this feeling is what you see a photo of someone you know, and maybe it's of yours. You recognize it immediately and relive the moment again. You remember how it felt like to be in that present moment with those familiar sensations that you encountered within your soul and body. I sensed it. This vivid image of me holding a baby bird was in the first-person view. I was sitting in my father's bedroom near our PC station. We used to have in his bedroom because he used it for his office work whenever he came home from the job. We played video games on it when we got the choice to do so. I think this vision occurred a couple of weeks before when we exactly found a baby bird in our backyard one morning. We never saw a baby bird of this species before in our lives. It kept calling out to his parents. We looked around for any bird nests close by our provisional vision but couldn't find it and nighttime came soon after. So we decided to keep it in our parent's bedroom because it was safer for the baby bird to be indoor in warmth and protection. Long story short, the poor guy died. We were not able to find his nest in time. No animal hospital in our city could have helped us in that matter. I felt pretty damn terrible and probably cried about it as well. After a couple of years go by. We had another baby bird of the same species in our backyard. This time we successfully found his nest at our neighbor's rooftop and placed the baby bird back to his nest. We kept an eye on it to make sure his parents found and feed him. They did. Felt a lot happier after that.

    The other story is a bit personal. So I'm not sure if anyone would be interested in hearing it or not.

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    Aphantasia and Meditation

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 11:10 PM PST

    If you're not familiar with aphantasia, please give this a quick glimpse.

    aphantasia

    On a scale of nothing to slight visual, I have nothing. I see absolutely nothing ever. I cannot visualize memories, loved ones, or produce images in my mind. I feel as though it's holding me back in being able to fully give into my trance. I've been wanting to really progress to my next level and I feel like this has been a barrier to it. Thanks for any tips or advice!

    [edit] Forgot to mention, I feel I'm very empathic and feel lots of physical energy while meditating. I remember memories in smells and feelings etc.

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    Meditation/ Mindfulness in Native language.

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 07:15 PM PST

    Hey Everyone! I have been using meditation apps for a while now and it has always bugged me that all applications are available in mostly English.

    I am doing this survey to understand if people are looking for an app which provides sessions in there native languages. For now I am only focusing on people living/speaking languages in South East Asia.

    Let me know what you think about this and if you guys could fill out the survey that will help a lot. Thanks in advance!

    Meditation - SEA Questionnaire

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    I rarely can calm my mind...

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 10:40 PM PST

    It has now been 3 years that I do meditation. And even if I feel that it is doing a lot of good to me, I also feel like I don't really get it. In all those sessions (since almost a year I do 2 sessions a day) I haven't had the chance to really calm my mind. Most of the time I'm thinking of problems that I'm currently solving at my workplace. I'm a software engineer and as you may suspect this is a very mental kind of occupation. Is this kind of job not compatible with meditation and living in the present ? Just so you know, I have read many books, tried many practices and went to many workshops. Nothing really helped so far. Also if anyone is interested in the practice that I do daily, check the book called "The Presence Process" from Micheal Brown. Also in the morning I do some breathing exercice that I found on youtube, it's explained here.

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    Begginers exercise: Count to 100

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 10:40 PM PST

    I found it surprisingly hard not to lose focus and count all the way to 100! Start by breathing out, "1", breathe in "and", breathe out "2".. And so on.

    I laughed at it thinking it was a child's exercise but it took be quite a few times to not lose my count!

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    Meditation is minimize thinking so that mind can literally physically heal itself in all It's abilities and potential. You'll feel the difference. Even in sleep , there is Thinking. It is incessant and so , it can't heal itself in presence of thinking.

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 02:52 PM PST

    Stop speaking from inside. Be quiet from inside

    Neurons restructure back to their default and ideal state in absence of thinking. Thinking keeps them busy and therefore mind couldn't function as it should which by default is blissful and serene

    Like a kid

    It defragments itself in absence of thinking

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    Lying down vs sitting?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2020 11:44 AM PST

    tl;dr is there much difference between sitting and lying while meditating?

    I've been lying down to meditate for years but have recently switched to a new app (Waking Up) and thought I'd try sitting for it.

    I'm finding sitting really uncomfortable and difficult to sit for even 10 mins. My back hurts, my neck hurts, etc.

    Does this mean I've been doing it wrong all these years?

    Is the discomfort from sitting part of the process?

    I find lying down really relaxing!

    Any tips?

    Thanks

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