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    Meditation: Weekly Discussion - December 21 2020

    Meditation: Weekly Discussion - December 21 2020


    Weekly Discussion - December 21 2020

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 07:09 AM PST

    This is a reoccuring thread for questions relating to your practice and discussion around your experiences.

    Questions

    Ask questions relating to your practice, the theory of meditation, various traditions and lineages of thought, or practical tips. If you're new, please read our FAQ before posting, as it contains a wealth of information that all of us should come back to occasionally.

    Discussion

    Also use this thread for a more free-form discussion of your experiences and other tidbits that might not warrant their own full post. Use this space to connect with the /r/meditation community, it won't be heavily moderated.

    Also check out the monthly meditation challenge.

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    I'm finding conspiracies less believable the more I meditate.

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 09:17 AM PST

    I'm not sure why, but the idea of being "open minded" seems to be intrinsically linked with the practice of meditation. I guess the idea is that once you unburden yourself of useless thoughts, beliefs, and feelings, you will be able to see things more clearly. One might think that this would mean you would become more susceptible to conspiratorial thinking.

    I've actually found the opposite to be true.

    I really began taking meditation seriously a couple months ago and have not missed a day since. I originally started meditating as a means to help some of my own mental issues. The more sessions I partake in, the more my mind, body, and spirit become at ease. It's a process without instant results, it's more like slowly chipping away at a stone.

    What I've noticed is that my bullshit radar is a lot more finely tuned, and this has translated into seeing where certain conspiracy theories fall short. Shortcomings I hadn't noticed before, because my brain was encumbered with non stop toxic thought. Perhaps my new found ability to immerse myself in objective reality and true rationalization due to meditation has facilitated this.

    Not long ago I would frequent sites like bitchute. I would watch conspiracy videos about things like WW2, and coronavirus, and the deep state, and all kinds of other things that made me angry and full of contempt for the world. I would share this garbage with friends. I would try and "red pill" people I am close to. Only now am I beginning to realize just how pathetic this was.

    One major realization I've had is that people who engage in this kind of nonsense are miserable, and are controlled by their egos. Their need to be right about something. Their lust for control. Their desire for power over others through emotional manipulation. Their need for popularity. People like this are never satisfied. It's as if the belief in conspiracies is channeled from their own personal dissatisfaction with their lives.

    I noticed things that were like a baseball bat to the face once I took the blindfold of my own ego off. I'm becoming more in touch with my inner self and the world as it actually exists the more I chip away at that stone. I am no longer enamoured by the idea that the world is full of all types of crazy conspiracies that may not even affect my life at all, nor do I care to even entertain them anymore.

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    You don’t owe your thoughts anything

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 04:17 PM PST

    A few ground principles:

    1. Your thoughts are not you

    2. Most of human thoughts are negative (by science). This means that it's 100% fine to have negative thoughts, what matters is how we respond to them

    3. You can choose what thoughts you pay attention to

    4. Humans are made to think, we are idea machines! Elon Musk is a great example that I always think about. He always talks about how he used to think he was crazy when he was younger. What I realise is that he produces a ridiculous amount of ideas, and cultivates them in a 'successful' way. That's why he's a billionaire.

    5. The way you respond to your thoughts can determine your reality - Thus, perspective is everything. That friend, or text that you don't like is merely your perception of that friend or text.

    6. You don't need to focus on all your thoughts

    7. We have the ability to train our brain to just let the thoughts pass, at ease. Just note the thought as a 'thought', then let it go.

    8. Your thoughts are tiny in comparison to the universe. But the right attention to certain thoughts can make big changes ;)

    I'm aware that some of these points overlap in some way or another but it felt good to write these down. These are findings from my journey of mindfulness so far.

    Literally, when you get a thought - you don't owe it ANYTHING!

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    I've said this before but I think meditation is changing my entire life!

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 10:16 PM PST

    I guess I'm coming up on a little over a year of consistent meditation now (40 mins most days). There was a break of a few months where I struggled a bit. I've talked a lot on here about my emotional struggled and some of my struggles with medditation as well, but I've also mentioned how mediation has hugely benefitted me. The funny thing with meditation is that it's such a subtle art and it's effects are similarly subttle that you honestly question if it does anything in some ways. When I started off I had a few weeks of bliss and wonderful peace! But that did slowly kind of fade and with time I struggled with some of the presence and shadow work I've had to do upon awakening more fully. Strange to type that sentance but I really do feel I'm awakening more and more!

    Like with everything with meditation in some ways nothing has changed, in other way's everything has changed. It's not just meditation I have put in a lot of other self work over the past 4 or 5 years but this past year has been huge and meditation has been a big component of that.

    I'm slowly transforming from a very emotionally unhealthy individual into... something different lol. I've lived most of my life from a victim mentality, this I now see. My sense of my locus of control was almost entirely external, without me realizing. So much of that has been changing. I made large life changes in the past including losing over 100lbs, and moving out of my parents house at one of the worst times of my life but those changes really didn't feel like ME in a way. In the past year and 1/2 though I quit my job without another one lined up to travel around asia for 39 days living out of a backpack. I'm much happier now in a job that pays less, I went from retail manager back down to regular worker. I have a new set of friends and coworkers. I got back into working out. I totally changed my diet to something much healthier. I have tentatively explored dating (this is still difficult for me). I got a second job as a food delivery courier to make extra money on the side for fun. I decided to go back and crack open my university text book after YEARS of not looking at them and now have thought maybe of returning to finish a degree. Also many other small changes.

    In the past few months especially I have felt often such a strong feeling of empowerment. Excitment, happiness, energy! Possibilities! I've not felt this in YEARS. I've been living as a depressed hopeless sad sack for SOOOOOOO long! That is still there with me of course, my ego is still there, the old narrative, and all of those sad sack memories and stories run through my head. But I have distance from them now. I am not them, they are just junk in my head. I can make choices that aren't from that place. I uploaded a video to my company christmas party of me making a total fool of myself dancing and singing badly because why the hell not. Seems like a good thing for a shy awkward guy to do. I am SO much more confident now than I have been in my entire life! There is still a LOT of work left to do. I can see a lot of it. And I am going to struggle a lot too. But I fucking welcome it now! I welcome new expereinces, even the bad ones. I'm cutting out all kinds of old behaviours too, compulsions and mental shit that just sapped my energy and taught myself that I'm worthless. Of course I'm going to hate myself and think everyone is judging me if I judge everything I do myself and make sure it passes "muster" before I allow it out into the world. No, screw that, I don't care if my brain tells me it's the worst thing in the world I'm going to do things against my nature, against why I've been teaching myself all of these years. For example not correcting the spelling mistakes in this very post lol, and a lot of other behaviours. I don't know where this journey may lead me. Who knows maybe tomorrow I'll be a depressed mess again, maybe it will all fall apart, maybe, but that's tomorrow and I'm tired of using all of my energy thinking and trying to control. Screw it all, I'm just going to be and see what happens. No I'm sure I won't like a lot of it, well good.

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    I was able to drop my intense anger in 1 minute today with meditation

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 11:53 PM PST

    So I'm a full time college student living with my dad unable to find a job yet and $40k in debt so when I heard a stimulus check got passed I was pumped! Only to find out a few minutes later I wouldnt be getting a dime of it just like last time because I filed taxes as a dependent. I was extra salty because I had heard a while back that this stimulus check wouldn't exempt adult dependants, which obviously wasn't true. Whenever I get in an unpleasant state of being, it reminds me to pause for a second and become mindful and observe myself as objectively as possible, without judging. I closed my eyes and observed my thoughts. I could see my angry thoughts occupying my entire awareness. I started paying attention to what my experience was like in detail when I'm this angry. I observed my breath, physical sensations, and thiughts. The more I looked, the faster the emotions began to disappear. Within literally a minute I was pulled back to normal levels of emotions!

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    I just did my first meditation session and cried

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 11:21 AM PST

    For years I've felt daily anxiety. I'm always anxious about my future, struggling to focus and live in the present. I thought enough was enough, and decided to download the headspace app and finally give it a go.

    Half way through the session, I felt transfixed, a strange feeling I cant quite explain. I felt so at peace, a feeling I haven't felt in so long. It was such a positive overwhelming feeling I started giggling to myself uncontrollably while crying, but also remaining in that relaxed peaceful state at the same time.

    It was an extraordinary moment and I'm looking forward to where this journey will take me in the long run .

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    What are your benefits of doing meditation and how long do you do it for?

    Posted: 22 Dec 2020 02:38 AM PST

    Realization of thoughts

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 05:48 PM PST

    I am not really an expert when it comes to meditation, but I realised something recently. I can observe the thoughts that intervene my focus on breathing. Most of these are negative thoughts, mostly about the pain that others have inflicted upon me and what I'm going to do about it. What's interesting is, that I realised just how much I am consumed by these negative thoughts, it's like my entire existence is just a reaction to this negativity. I really wanna move past these thoughts and want to improve my meditation technique. Some insight from Veterans would be really helpful.

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    How did you start meditating?

    Posted: 22 Dec 2020 01:45 AM PST

    Hi all, I started with doing meditation about a year ago. For about half a year I tried the Headspace app, but this wasn't really working for me. I'm doing now my second attempt to start with meditating, and I'm really curious to see how you guys made your first steps.

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    The wim hof breathing technique followed by meditation

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 02:12 PM PST

    I've been doing the wim hof breathing method for a few months now for the huge benefits it provides (anyone who's not aware of this technique, check it out. There's studies which highlight the benefits)

    Recently, Ive been meditating right after this exercise and my mind feels really calm, it feels like your mind is just clear. This likely has something to do with chemical release in the body while doing the breathing. Can't recommend combining the two enough. There's a certain clarity to be found with it.

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    What's wrong with having a plan?

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 10:52 PM PST

    A plan will always have an expectation, even if your plan is to have no expectations. Instead, know what it is that you want and do what you can to prepare for it.

    Namaste 💚 🙏 💚

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    The Art Of Meditation - J Krishnamurti

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 10:36 PM PST

    Inquire what is Meditation with J Krishnamurti - https://youtu.be/2JnXusF1-M4

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    The Great Conjunction ��✨

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 06:23 AM PST

    With today being the day of the Great Conjunction, I hope you all are taking time to sit and meditate with yourself. Release all the blockages that have been in your life and open your heart to all the abundance of blessings to come. Believe in yourself. You are a magnet to all good things that serve your highest good. ♥️🪴

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    Last night was magic, don't know if it's related to the Dec 21st energy but something was different

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 07:40 AM PST

    I need to share this because it was an amazing experience. What started into a meditation turn into a self inquiry and it never went this deep before. It lasted for 5-6 hours and i barely slept last night because of it. I literally had to force myself to stop inquiring so i could get some sleep, last time i checked the clock it was 3:30 AM.

    It was like Alice in wonderland. The more i dig the deeper it got. I don't know if i can accurately describe this in words, i can try, let me know if you understand or have experienced something similar. It was like peeling an onion. Each layer coming off revealing what was underneath it, then realizing the meaning behind that layer led me to shed the next and so on until there was nothing left and this is where i found ME. Guess that's the best description i can come up with.

    I came to the realization that our true nature cannot be conceptualized in any kind shape or form. That as soon as you try to put a label or name on it, it's no longer IT. Beingness (another concept) is beyond words. ALL thoughts, either conscious or unconscious are from the Ego, i like to call it the mighty conceptualizator. Me, writing this post, is from that Ego. Thoughts or should i say ideas are just that, ideas. What we call our life here, is nothing but an idea we are having.

    What are ideas if not energy in motion ? There's nothing else. We are the awareness having an idea of life. When they say we are the creator of our reality that exactly what it mean, ideas create reality. But what is reality ? An idea. Even knowledge don't exist. Knowledge is the Ego attempt a conceptualizing an idea or a dream if you want. The dreamer and the dream are all but One. Can anything in a dream NOT be from the dreamer mind ? Who is the dreamer ? We are. When they say everything is from God, that's the meaning behind hit. The grass, the tree, the fly it's all a manifestation of God. Nothing can exist outside of it.

    The final realization is that nothing exist but the ONE awareness. Trying to understand it's nature is impossible for the Ego. It's when the Ego is completely gone that you see it. As soon as you conceptualize anything, you lose it. Some peoples call is the cosmic joke, that's probably the reason why so many peoples upon the realization just start laughing, we search all our life for it but the truth is :

    There's is nothing to realize. We are IT. The end.

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    The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 01:07 PM PST

    Especially a day like today , when doing your practice today set your intentions loud and clear. Enjoy the rest of your day you beautiful souls you ☺️.

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    Relaxation is an active exercise.

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 08:37 PM PST

    The natural state of the universe is entropy. You actually need to direct your energies in an active way in order to truly relax. Otherwise you are just in disarray.

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    How did it go guys??? ������

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 10:44 AM PST

    Change in Localization of Consciousness?

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 04:54 PM PST

    Hello, I'm writing this to see if anybody else has had a similar experience during meditation or while sleeping.

    So one night, I was meditating and drifting off to a peaceful sleep. Now, at the time I often came back into awareness as my body fell asleep and achieved a hypnagogic state where strange dreams and out of body sensations were observable, and with practice -- conscious lucid dreams and conscious projections were achievable.

    But this night, when I came back into awareness, the localization of consciousness had shifted -- I WAS MY SPINE. I had awareness of my location in the body and could feel a distinct curve at my top that led up to between the eyes. I also felt very, very stiff and firm like a staff and there was loud pumping. I also felt incredibly energized. This was so incredibly trippy and awesome! I'm wondering if anyone has had a similar experience where their consciousness suddenly changed localization to some specific body part?

    Now I call it a change in localization because if you were to ask me in a regular waking state I would say my consciousness feels localized behind my eyes in my brain. That just feels like ME. If someone were to ask you where does it feel your consciousness is housed, where would you point ?

    There was also an accompanying lucid dream further on, but then I eventually took myself out of that state and woke up because I was quite overwhelmed to be honest.

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    I think I need tips

    Posted: 22 Dec 2020 01:11 AM PST

    I never am able to even mostly clear my mind, my mind is always full of thoughts and i never can stop focusing on a lot of them, is there a way you could give me tips on how to clear my mind more?

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    Meditation for moments when I feel like I need more control

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 08:56 PM PST

    Lately I've been struggling with feeling like I have no agency. There are tons of facets of my life that feel so far out of my control right now. In the past, I've been able to accept that but I am really unable to grasp it now. What are some mantras, forms of meditation, or just general tips that could help me to accept the lack of control I feel?

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    What is this?

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 08:55 PM PST

    When I meditate and get fully immersed in my breathe, there comes a point where I can feel this "pressure" or sense in the middle of my forehead and if I really focus it feels like I can go deeper and deeper into it. Where i no longer feel my physical body, but i'm aware it's there, but i go deeper. It may sound silly or maybe it doesn't make sense, I just wondered if anyone else experiences this sensation.

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    Devotion and meditation

    Posted: 22 Dec 2020 12:06 AM PST

    What's the role of devotion (to any form of energy or higher being) in the spiritual path or during meditation. Though being an atheist, I find that bringing out devotion or surrendering to some unknown power within or outside myself, that leads me to a deeper meditative state. Would love to know your thoughts on the same and if anyone has theoretical knowledge on this experience.

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    Am I Doing It Wrong?

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 08:11 PM PST

    So I've meditated on and off for a couple years now, and I've recently been getting back into it. I had a daily habit going of it for awhile about two months ago, but stopped when someone suggested I try to a different method. When they suggested that to me, I found it hard to keep on meditating the way I already was and it was already a difficult thing to sit down and do I couldn't get the energy to look up the different method. The past few weeks, I've probably meditated a grand total of maybe 7 times. All I do is breathe in, breathe out, focusing on my breath. Idk if I'm getting the full benefits from this method, so it makes it harder to keep doing it consistently. Of course, one way to find out is to do it for an extended period of time, but again, I have to muster up a lot of will power to even sit down and do it.

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    HELP-> new to meditation, I’m constantly stuck in my head, I spiral all the time, and ruminate. Brain fog from overthinking. I really think it can help me. Any advice and tips on how/getting started is appreciated.

    Posted: 21 Dec 2020 07:25 PM PST

    HELP-> new to meditation, I'm constantly stuck in my head, I spiral all the time, and ruminate. Brain fog from overthinking. I really think it can help me. Any advice and tips on how/getting started is appreciated.

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