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    Meditation: Weekly Discussion June 21, 2021

    Meditation: Weekly Discussion June 21, 2021


    Weekly Discussion June 21, 2021

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 04:00 AM PDT

    This is a reoccurring thread for questions relating to your practice and discussion around your experiences.

    Questions

    Ask questions relating to your practice, the theory of meditation, various traditions and lineages of thought, or practical tips. If you're new, please read our [FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/wiki/faq) before posting, as it contains a wealth of information that all of us should come back to occasionally.

    Discussion

    Also use this thread for a more free-form discussion of your experiences and other tidbits that might not warrant their own full post. Use this space to connect with the /r/meditation community, it won't be heavily moderated.

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    The mind is a prison and the present moment is the key...

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 11:28 AM PDT

    So you just need to be present and then you're free.

    The mind is very limited, and because we're all conditioned to identify with it, we also become very limited. It becomes almost like a prison, which most people can't seem to escape from. So they drink, do drugs, have sex and just pursue pleasure in general because it provides them with a little bit of a momentary escape from their prison. Ofcourse there's nothing wrong with sex or drinking, but the problem comes when people use these things as an escape from their minds.

    The only key to this mind prison is presence and disidentification with the mind. Unfortunately, most of us are conditioned to think that we're free so we never try to get out of this prison.

    "You are in prison. If you wish to get out of prison, the first thing you must do is realize that you are in prison. If you think you are free, you can't escape." - G.I. Gurdjieff

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    Do you ever imagine meeting higher you while mediating ?

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 08:21 PM PDT

    Basically today while mediating I was imagining myself as a big bowl of light who sat there to meet higher herself, I also was in a pain before starting mediating and I was imagining being hugged by the higher power and I was like: "take me, please take me to you ". It was interesting! I felt better afterwards and I felt it was all true. Has anyone had the same experience?

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    Feeling touch

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 04:16 PM PDT

    Has anyone ever felt what feels like a real touch during meditation? I felt someone hold the back of my head the other day but I was laid down and alone. Freaked me out

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    Sometimes I'm surprised when I open my eyes

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 06:14 PM PDT

    Idk why. It's like, ill meditate for a good bit, and when I open my eyes it's like a surprise of where I am. Anyone else get this?

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    Meditation Increases Awareness of Where You Feel Stress

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 09:07 PM PDT

    After meditating and doing body scans for a period of time, I have become more aware of where I feel stress in my body. Do most people feel it in the same place? I feel it in my temples and is a slight squeezing sensation. Also, what is the best method to get that feeling go away when I feel it and am in more of a stressed state as I am noticing I feel that sensation a bit throughout the day?

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    I tried meditating for the first time and i started remembering parts of my childhood that I totally forgot about.

    Posted: 22 Jun 2021 01:21 AM PDT

    Then I texted a friend about it and she basically confirmed that it was true.

    I was gaslit by my whole family into believing none of it happened "that way." But it did and I'm really sad for myself, for the first time ever.

    Please help because I can't stop crying but I also feel really relieved 😭

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    Recommendations for books/resources for exploring & comparing different types of meditation?

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 07:55 PM PDT

    I'm newish to meditation (mindfulness by way of a MBSR course). Now that I have a half-year regular practice, I'd like to explore a few different types and pick one to dive a little deeper. But there are SO many different traditions. Is there a useful primer that gives a little history and the general "flavor" of a broad assortment of different meditation traditions?

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    "The way in which I relate to others is a most powerful reflection in the most fundamental relationship of all, and that is with myself"

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 11:36 AM PDT

    Quote taken from the book As It Is by Tony Parsons.

    This is written from the perspective of the egoic self, and I wanted to share this to help raise your sense of compassion and empathy whenever you interact with others.

    Of all the daily events in our lives, nothing can bring us out of a state of calm quicker than some asshole who cut you off in traffic. Or learning about some fucker at work that talked shit about you at work to your co-workers behind your back. Or dealing with a rude shithead customer that sees you as nothing more than an inanimate tool.

    And that's what we do. We label these offenders as fuckers, assholes, and shitheads because they treated you wrong. We compartmentalize them in our minds as one-note cartoon villains only capable of being the worst kind of person.

    But I'd like you to re-read that quote again. How they treat you is first and foremost how they treat themselves on a day to day, minute to minute, second to second basis. If you have a co-worker who is always an asshole, I can guarantee you that nobody suffers from her selfish behavior more than himself. They go home every day, and when they are by themselves, the voices in their heads continue to mistreat them in a manner so miserably that these inner voices unconsciously become a reflection of their outward behavior.

    So the next time you find yourself starting to feel enraged due to how a serial offender has treated you, remember that this person treats themselves like this every moment of every day. They are their own worst enemy. Nobody suffers from their toxic behavior more than themselves. And hopefully this understanding will breathe some compassion into your heart, and to help you from labeling them in such a negative manner.

    Maybe all they need is to see someone who reacts with compassion instead of anger to help break their cycle of self-hatred. Maybe that person can be you.

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    Feel like I really felt the practice ‘give way’ this tims

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 08:11 PM PDT

    I've been meditating again now for three weeks, and this last session I feel like I felt the release of thoughts - my muscles kind of giving way a bit after returning to sitting for the few weeks so far.

    Just exciting! Wanted to share

    😑🌸🌺

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    Anything that detach you from your physical dimension in a unhealthy way is drug , in a healthy way is yoga

    Posted: 22 Jun 2021 01:59 AM PDT

    ❤️

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    Always find myself hungry when meditating. Anyone else?

    Posted: 22 Jun 2021 12:57 AM PDT

    I swear I eat enough throughout the day, and am even a professional in nutritional science so I spend a ton of my life focusing on food and dietary behaviors. However every time I meditate I end up realizing how hungry I am lol. I'm not sure if I'm bringing so much attention to my body feels it induces hunger or what, but I could just eat a satisfying meal and still experience this. Has anyone else felt this?

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    People with social anxiety what helped you the most among this three

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 08:21 PM PDT

    1. Meditation
    2. Zoloft 3.SSRI( medicines) Please share your experience with each one of them
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    Let it be

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 11:32 AM PDT

    My relationship with meditation lately has been very bumpy. I haven't been doing it much and when I did, I felt very unsuccessful. After yet another spat with a friend, I was inspired to try again this morning.

    I tried a guided meditation about change. At one point it said to think of something you have control over that can help things move forward. It just came to me in the silence. Let it be. I just kept repeating it to myself. I'm not happy about how the conflict, but this "inner voice" is right. Letting it be is the best way through.

    I think I'm going to give meditation another go. I'll probably stick to guided ones to start with, maybe do a silent or quiet music meditation once a week to see how I do. No expectations on that though. Maybe if I stick with it I'll get insight timer premium. Does anyone have it? Is it worth it over the free version?

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    Overactive chakras

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 11:54 PM PDT

    What would you recommend for someone with all chakras being overactive at once?

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    Extreme body movements during meditation

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 05:05 PM PDT

    I'm aware of the quantity of posts here about involuntary movements, but I'm curious if anyone has a psychological explanation for what I'm experiencing. During meditation, I have movements that range from head shaking, to full-body movements so intense I look like a toddler throwing a tantrum. Occasionally I might even punch my thigh, or grimace and swear.

    This is weird to me, because my approach is gentle and I own the mantra of accepting all that arises. I'm certain that I'm not trying hard, because generally I come out of my session of strain feeling worse. These days, I come out feeling "clean." I've read differing theories; one saying that these movements are due to the mind's resistance to giving up, and another claiming that this is the body's method of relieving pent-up stress. If that's the case, how so? Why would my brain need to light my sensorimotor neurons up like a Christmas tree to simply calm down? Is it the same reflex that makes people punch in-animate objects out of anger? Are these movements amplified by the intensity of the emotions I'm burying?

    Answers would be appreciated.

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    The door way to realisation

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 06:30 AM PDT

    When you have a dirty window , you look outside world in a altered way than it is , so whatever you judge outside is just based on where you are , you as a human being maybe in level 346 with very dirty window and someone else at level 56 with somewhat clean window look the same outside thing in a totally different level upgraded manner , the more level you go up you'll realise how aware and conscious you become and what you thought as problems noe feels like nothing because there is no such thing is that is that alone....it is how you see it becomes so....so whenever you are going through hardships , don't push against the wall , but try transforming your view by cleaning your window 🪟❤️

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    Negative Effects of Meditating?

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 03:59 PM PDT

    Hi there. Totally new to this group and to meditation in general.

    My practice - I've been sitting daily (missing only 1 day) for almost 2 months (7 weeks now).

    I mediate first thing when I wake up, after anywhere from 5-20 minutes of gentle self-guided yoga.

    I started at 3 minutes per session in week 1, and have worked up by about 1 minute per week to 10 (I think I jumped from 8 to 10 at whatever point because I felt okay with it).

    I don't listen to music and I don't use guided medication. I sit in silence, on a folded up blanket on my bedroom floor. Sometimes I'm interrupted by one of my 3 kids, sometimes I'm not.

    Influences My influences are few - basically just some general web browsing on meditation, I did listen to about half of Kabat-Zinn's Full Catastrophe Living, and attended a few online learning sessions over Zoom from the Cambridge Zen Center.

    Goals I'm not trying to achieve any one thing in particular (oh, I don't know, maybe just enlightenment?). I am really just looking to further ground myself, become increasingly aware of my day to day reality (and the inherent beauty of it), to more often react to daily stressors with love, calm and peace.

    I have absolutely no history of mental or physical illness, no substance use or abuse disorders and take no medication (unless coffee counts).

    The Problem (?) I have noticed (probably over weeks 5/6/7) that I have become increasingly anxious and shorter fused (lacking patience). I am not a generally anxious person. While I do get anxious about very specific situations (namely social gatherings where I am not comfortable with the other attendees or public speaking - that's about it!), I know what those situations are and how I will respond to them.

    This isn't that. This is me laying in bed or just sitting somewhere/doing something and having racing or anxious thoughts about normal daily things I have to do or that I know are coming up (whether work related, family obligations, etc). I've never had this issue. I don't get worried about things, in fact I consider myself (and have often been described as) a very highly functioning human being whose feathers doesn't get ruffled by much of anything. Coping with stress is kind of my jam.

    So I know that having the types of anxious thoughts that I have had (which it's important to stress haven't been all consuming or totally overwhelming but are certainly new for ME) are not normal for me. The only thing that has changed in my life is the yoga and meditating.

    The changes in my mood and outlook were significant and consistent enough for me to Google search it and I did find some articles about meditation having this effect on some people.

    My next stop after that? You know it. Reddit. So here we are.

    What does this lovely group know about this phenomenon? Should I pull back on my practice? Is it just a growing pain? Any thoughts or experiences are welcome and appreciated!

    I'm kind of scratching my head saying "hmph. I didn't expect that".

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    Is it ok to imagine scenarios while meditating?

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 02:21 PM PDT

    Hello, everyone! I have an anxiety disorder and meditation has done a lot when it comes to managing symptoms and sometimes even treating them. However, I don't really know much about it. Most of what I know comes from Google and the meditation app I use. From what I understand, I'm not supposed to hold on to a thought while meditating, but instead acknowledge it and come back to the breath. However, I often start imagining these beautiful and dreamy scenarios, usually featuring me alone, happy and in peace, when the meditation seems to have its highest effect. I am not sure if should be letting go of those thoughts because they're soothing and the direct result of the peace I experience when meditating. Does anyone have an opinion on what I should do? Thank you for reading! :)

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    Silly 'should I' question

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 11:28 AM PDT

    I've been meditating daily for a couple of months - around twenty minutes a day. I would describe it as mindfulness meditation.

    I would say is going well. Like many people who lost here I have good sessions and less good ones.

    I started mediating because at 50, I sort of realised that maybe there's something in being present - possibly even exploring my consciousnesses connection to the whole.

    My question is - I want to take it further. Should I be happy with what ever reveals itself to me during my practice or should I be pursuing specific goals?

    Thank you

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    A couple of questions from a newcomer to start of meditation!

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 04:48 PM PDT

    I just started getting in to this world, but it's hard to figure out where to start. I'm very interested in the aspect of improving focus, having ADHD. Among other things.

    Question: for you people that don't meditate very long each day, how many different exercises do you rotate between? Do you do different ones each day of the week?

    Lastly, any recommendations for good guided meditations I can try doing?

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    Presence never stays

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 07:16 AM PDT

    I've had moments of real separation from ego, even up to a couple weeks at times. But it never lasts. I try to stay there but it feels like pushing against a wall until I collapse and my fears come pouring in again and it's too painful. I want to keep trying but it's so painful every time that state leaves... it's like I forget how to do it every time. The fear becomes too strong.

    Feeling a bit hopeless atm.

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    Most Misunderstood Thing About Yoga

    Posted: 21 Jun 2021 11:16 AM PDT

    When the mind is agitated, the breath too gets agitated.

    Let's normalize the breath, let's give some depth to breathing, and because the mind depends on the body, when the breath gets alright, the mind also tends to get alright. That's the principle on which all Hatha Yoga (and various other meditation techniques) operates, and even techniques like pranayama etc. from Ashtanga Yoga.

    So far so good. Now, comes the catch. Hatha Yoga says because the mind gets affected by the body, so let's change the body and cleanse the mind, right? For Hatha Yoga to succeed, the mind must remain dependent on the body, which means the mind must remain prone to conditioning. Now, that's a problem.

    For Hatha Yoga to be useful, the principle that the mind gets conditioned by the world must hold true. But what is the objective of Hatha Yoga? To bring the mind to a point where it is no longer prone to conditioning. So, Hatha Yoga can succeed only till a point; please get the point.

    Hatha Yoga proceeds by making use of the vulnerability of the mind towards the body, bodily conditions. The objective of Hatha Yoga is to reduce the vulnerability of the mind towards the bodily conditions. And it makes use of the body to reduce that vulnerability. But if the vulnerability is actually reducing, then Hatha Yoga will fail because then change in the body will not affect the mind.

    So, Hatha Yoga, as you keep practicing it, will give you great returns till a point and then will become incrementally useless for you because it can succeed only as long as you are prone to conditioning. If you are still prone to conditioning, has your practice of yoga succeeded? No, it has failed.

    Who is a real yogi? Whose mind is no longer dependent on external conditions. If your mind is still dependent on how your body is doing, then are you a Yogi.

    So, Hatha Yoga is wonderful as something to start with but it cannot take you to the destination because it makes use of the same thing that it seeks to eliminate. What does it make use of? Your corruptibility. It makes use of your vulnerability. It makes use of exactly the same thing that it seeks to eliminate. So, either it will keep succeeding and not succeed or if it is failing, then no point continuing with it.

    If Hatha Yoga is working wonders on you, it means you are still vulnerable towards the body. Do you see this?

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