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    Meditation: I want to re-share a post from 7years ago from this subreddit

    Meditation: I want to re-share a post from 7years ago from this subreddit


    I want to re-share a post from 7years ago from this subreddit

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 07:01 PM PDT

    It is a piece, by Alan Watts, about enlightenment, that is beautifully written, and IMO deserves more attention, and that more people need to see and understand it.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/20omaj/the_passage_that_made_me_finally_understand/

    Social conditioning fosters the identification of the mind with a fixed idea of itself as the means of control, and as a result man thinks of himself as "I"--the ego. Thereupon the mental center of gravity shifts from the spontaneous or original mind to the ego image. Once this has happened, the very center of our psychic life is identified with the self-controlling mechanism. It then becomes almost impossible to see how "I" can let go of "myself," for I am precisely my habitual effort to hold on to myself. I find myself totally incapable of any mental action which is not intentional, affected, and insincere. Therefore anything I do to give myself up, to let go, will be a disguised form of the habitual effort to hold on. I cannot be intentionally unintentional or purposely spontaneous. As soon as it becomes important for me to be spontaneous, the intention to be so is strengthened; I cannot get rid of it, and yet it is the one thing that stands in the way of its own fulfillment. It is as if someone had given me some medicine with the warning that it will not work if I think of a monkey while taking it.

    While I am remembering to forget the monkey, I am in a "double-bind" situation where "to do" is "not to do," and vice versa. "Yes" implies "no," and "go" implies "stop." At this point Zen comes to me and asks, "If you cannot help remembering the monkey, are you doing it on purpose?" In other words, do I have an intention for being intentional, a purpose for being purposive? Suddenly I realize that my very intending is spontaneous, or that my controlling self--the ego--arises from my uncontrolled or natural self. At this moment all the machinations of the ego come to nought; it is annihilated in its own trap. I see that it is actually impossible not to be spontaneous. For what I cannot help doing I am doing spontaneously, but if I am at the same time trying to control it, I interpret it as a compulsion. As a Zen master said, "Nothing is left to you at this moment but to have a good laugh."

    In this moment the whole quality of consciousness is changed, and I feel myself in a new world in which, however, it is obvious that I have always been living. As soon as I recognize that my voluntary and purposeful action happens spontaneously "by itself," just like breathing, hearing, and feeling, I am no longer caught in the contradiction of trying to be spontaneous. There is no real contradiction, since "trying" is "spontaneity." Seeing this, the compulsive, blocked, and "tied-up" feeling vanishes. It is just as if I had been absorbed in a tug-of-war between my two hands, and had forgotten that both were mine. No block to spontaneity remains when the trying is seen to be needless. As we saw, the discovery that both the voluntary and involuntary aspects of the mind are alike spontaneous makes an immediate end to the fixed dualism between the mind and the world, the knower and the known. The new world in which I find myself has an extraordinary transparency or freedom from barriers, making it seem that I have somehow become the empty space in which everything is happening.

    Here, then, in the point of the oft-repeated assertion that "all beings are in nirvana from the very beginning," that "all dualism is falsely imagined," that "the ordinary mind is the Tao" and that there is therefore no meaning in trying to get into accord with it.

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    Meditation Is Not Good For The American Economy..

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 06:37 AM PDT

    Think about all the tax dollars that wouldn't be generated if millions and millions of Americans started meditating and living mindfully. A significant number of people would no longer be needlessly spending once they dissolve their bond with materialistic possessions and stop identifying so strongly with certain entities. The American culture is a nonstop attempt to get you emotionally involved in a narrative and/or to get money from you.

    There would be idk, billions and billions or trillions of dollars or more no longer being spent on an array of things ranging from non nutritional foods to celebrity/sports gossip and gambling to people not needing so much health care. The insurance, alcohol and definitely the pharmaceutical industries would take a monumental hit. I believe the sports industry would too and they throw an overwhelming amount of ads and marketing at you during a game. Half of a sports game in the states is commercials and advertising. A significant number of people would no longer have a need to get drunk or high or take so many medications or get so emotionally involved or attached to politics, a celebrity, or a sports team/athlete (just to name a few examples).

    I'm sure there are other people out there who may be more knowledgeable on the economics of this and could maybe elaborate. I also directed this towards North America, but I'm sure this is relatable to other countries as well.

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    How long until you benefit?

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 01:29 PM PDT

    Yes, this is a loaded question. But please try to set aside all of your "deep" answers such as "expectations aren't the point" and "if you're doing it right, immediately," I'm looking for a concrete length of time (days, weeks, months, years) until you noticed some changes about yourself or in your life as a result.

    I've been meditating for 3 weeks now, 30 minutes a day (two 15 minute sessions) and have really only "felt" anything once or twice. The only real time was last week, I stayed focused on my breath almost the entire time and came out so profoundly content, relaxed, and genuinely happy I couldn't believe it. I was so "present" and in the moment most of that day. But I haven't got that feeling back yet.

    Most sessions end as they started, with me just being bored. I'm not at a terribly busy point in my life right now, so there's not much to get away from and relax from. I don't leave the sessions feeling calm, present, relaxed, or focused, just very neutral I guess.

    For what this post is worth, it's pure curiosity. I'm not going to stop meditating, no chance. I'm not going to expect it all to work perfectly or fix my life, tomorrow or ever. But I'd like to know how long it took others to achieve results, as various other threads almost always say "instantly" or "within a week" and it almost makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong, though I know that's the wrong mindset. Of course I'm also not everyone else, and it's impossible to say. Still, I will chase that feeling of being present because never in my life had I felt so confident and happy before.

    EDIT: After posting I put my phone down and took a few breaths, and honestly, I think that just answered my question. I'm trying too hard and overthinking my overthinking, letting all these anxieties and stresses in when in reality, I can just sit back and "be." Maybe I've already experienced the benefits but my mind clouds them out. I'm gonna stop writing now and go live, but feel free to answer anyway.

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    After a year of on and off meditation, I think I finally found a way for myself to understand how to watch my mind during meditation.

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 03:16 PM PDT

    I don't always find the visions exercises helpful. I do enjoy listening to the sound around me, feeling the floor beneath me, and watching/feeling my breath. But when it came to watching my mind, I didn't get it. Today I tried something new. I allowed my eyes to look at the blackness and just watch it. Let my eyes move or show colors or images. Reminded me of one of those children's mobile lamps with a bunch of images on it. I let my "mobile lamp" move never letting my mind try to run around the lamp to catch the image. Just let it go and then let the next one come and go. When I did chase, I wouldn't note. I didn't allow for any sort of mental voice to be heard. I just would stare back at the blackness and wait for it to come back; like a parent correcting their child - looking at it till it realized what it did. When it got too jittery, I would do the listening, feeling, or breathing techniques.

    Wanted to share in case this weird imagery that worked for me, might help someone else.

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    Does anyone else sometimes get dark visions while meditating?

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 05:26 PM PDT

    I often feel bliss or good feelings while meditating. I see visions of my inner child, sometimes higher self, different versions of myself, me at different phases, and sometimes just myself laying there.. like I'm above me. I often see nature and am in a river.

    Also want to say sometimes I experience nothing! Sometimes I just sit there too.

    But I also at times have darker visions. The safe beautiful space I always go to turns gray, rainy, dark and the flowers disappear. I don't feel afraid though. I let it come.

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    Seeking any of advice/help during tough time

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 02:27 PM PDT

    My mother has late stage breast cancer and the thoughts of losing her have been really killing me. I've been practicing meditation more often in order to avoid having all those thoughts and help me be stronger & more present in the time I have left w her. My question is, what else can I do? What would you do in this position? Particular practices, mantras, rituals, reading material, food, etc., anything that could help in any way.

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    Don't forget to breathe.

    Posted: 31 Jul 2021 02:34 AM PDT

    Breathing is an interesting thing because on one hand, it's an involuntary process that happens by itself, even when we're unconscious. But on the other hand, we can breathe consciously and even change our breathing pattern. Generally though, we don't breathe consciously. The only time we seem to notice our breath is when something goes wrong with it, like when your nose is blocked and so on. In a way, breathing is similar to our thoughts because thinking also seems to be both voluntary an involuntary, and like our thoughts, the breath is always coming and going. In fact, most people don't think, but thinking happens to them, just like how breathing happens to them. In a way this is good because if breathing was something we did, some of us would probably forget to breathe every now and then.

    So saying don't forget to breathe is basically another way of saying breathe consciously. Being aware of your breath coming and going is such a simple thing and yet, it's effects are powerful. If you pay attention to your breath you'll notice that you can't be aware of your breath and be lost in your thoughts at the same time. Awareness of the breath takes attention away from the mind and brings it into the present moment, which is the only place you can breath, and live. So the breath can be something that anchors us in the present moment. In meditation, the aim is observation; to just be a witness of thoughts, feelings and other sensations, but sometimes thoughts can be a little more subtle to be aware of, and awareness of breath can be helpful towards being aware of more subtle thoughts and feelings. First become mindful of breathing, and then move on to your thought process because becoming aware of the gross (breathing) makes it much easier to become aware of the subtle (thoughts).

    When you're watching your breath, there's no need to change it by breathing deeper or more rapidly. Just breathe as you normally do, just with awareness. So throughout your day regardless of what you're doing or how you're feeling, don't forget to breathe.

    "Remember from time to time to notice that you're breathing. Notice means bring your attention to it. So during your day, whenever you go to the bathroom, whenever you go in the elevator, rather than look at a person and say; should I say something or not?. "It's cold today, isn't it?", because you feel uncomfortable with not saying anything, be comfortable with just being and breathe." - Eckhart Tolle

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    Increased panic attacks with more consistent meditation

    Posted: 31 Jul 2021 01:51 AM PDT

    I've been meditating on and off for a few year but have been much more consistent recently, meditating every day between 10 and 20 minutes

    I once had a serious panic attack mid meditation and since then I've been much less depressed, which is why I meditate, but also since then occasionally I will start to panic about reality

    It's beginning to happen occasionally out of the blue, not while meditating, and it's really quite scary

    Is this just par for the course or should I slow down? The benefits of meditation for me are huge for me so I'm really wanting to continue

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    Is it better to meditate before or after a psychotherapy session?

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 08:46 PM PDT

    I meditate daily but I've got my therapy session in some time. Should I meditate after the session or before it? (I'm currently following Ah meditations by Wayne Dyer)

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    I read recently an article about Coherent Breathing, and I have a simple but also fundamental question. What is our “default settings” by nature for breathing? We should breathe from our chest or diaphragm?

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 10:21 AM PDT

    There is no time to think in meditation.

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 11:27 AM PDT

    Sounds legit?

    edit: because you are always in the moment.

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    Do you supplement meditation with other practices to become more spiritual, or is it enough as it is?

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 11:34 AM PDT

    I recently started to be more consistent with my meditation and am looking for more ways to become more spiritual, any advice?

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    just starting meditation. any advice?

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 07:58 PM PDT

    hello! i'm a very spiritual and self aware person, but would like to explore more of what is out there. i've gotten into meditation again and gave it a try just a few minutes ago.

    i definitely feel a difference, but i also had this pressure in my head that would come and go. i still somewhat have it now.

    i'm not sure i understand what that is all about. people say it's good and some others say it's bad. other than that, it was a great first go. i just think i could have focused too much on my head/thoughts.

    i would like to learn more about meditation, energies, etc. anything i should know to get started on my journey?

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    How to meditate when you have trouble breathing?

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 01:30 PM PDT

    A lot of guided meditations suggest focusing on your breath when meditating. For someone like me who has trouble breathing due to hyperacidity, that can be quite difficult since I'm constantly short of breath when trying to breathe deeply.

    It pulls me away from the part of meditation that's supposed to feel the simplest or most enjoyable.

    What can I focus on instead of this? Should I try counting? Should I try looking at a particular object? I'd appreciate some advice :)

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    Asking for guidance for Metta / Loving Kindness Practice

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 05:36 AM PDT

    For the most part I practice Vipassana, but in my use of several meditation apps I have tried practicing Metta as well. The idea of Metta appeals to me, because I've identified that inwardly comparing myself to others has been a huge source of my suffering in life. While outwardly I am not judgmental or critical of others, inwardly I very much am. I know that's part of being human, but I would like to quiet my inner judgments as much as I can...

    I was surprised today on the Waking Up Introductory course that Sam Harris introduced Metta, so I got to try again. He had me pick someone who I have warm feelings towards, with zero complicated feelings. For one thing - that was harder than it should have been! It made me realize that I hold grudges more than I wish I did - over small things sometimes. Anyway, I digress... I identified a coworker who I really like and has become a nice friend who I have no complicated feelings towards.

    Even so, I always struggle when it comes to fostering the inner feeling of warmth and Loving Kindness. I internally say the words "May you be happy" and I picture the person's smiling face...but then I try to identify the feelings I have, and in the past I have mostly felt nothing. Today I felt the familiar knot of anxiety in my chest... I feel like with Metta I am just going through the motions and not getting anywhere.

    I feel like this is a practice that could be beneficial for me. Any advice on identifying the feelings of warmth? It's funny, because I feel like I am a pretty warm person in life, but maybe that's just a mask that I wear... maybe it would help for me to be present in the moment when I am around family and friends who make me feel warm and happy to try to really identify the feeling.

    Also, I am not sure whether it would be best to focus on one person at a time per practice - or move between people? When I used the Calm app the practice had me start with myself, move to a neutral person, then a friend/family member, then a difficult person, all within one sitting. I remember feeling like that was a little much for a beginner.

    Sorry this is a long post. Just wanted to get it out there and see if anyone has experiences or advice they would like to share that could be helpful. How has your practice evolved since being a beginner?

    Edit: clarity / typos

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    A beginner's rough patch

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 09:40 AM PDT

    Hello everyone. I just started meditating recently again since I stopped last year. However, I notice that every time I try to commit myself to meditate, my experience and thoughts after meditation feels more overwhelming than before. Like I get more distracted and lose focus, I am full of various thoughts more than before. I feel like I am fighting my inner demons (meaning thoughts, emotions, distractions) every time I try to do good which is to meditate. It feels like I am being challenged more and more when I try to commit to meditate and unfortunately Iose because I sometimes give in to those thoughts and distractions. Sorry for making this long but I would like to genuinely understand if what I am going through is normal. Is this a phase? Is this really something that I have to go through? I hope anyone from you could somehow enlighten me. Thank you.

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    heart pounding

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 06:56 AM PDT

    Hi guys every time i try to meditate my heart beats hard,like the pounding heart rate bothers me and distracts me,and i cant focus on meditating for more than 5 minutes

    it makes me restless.

    what could be the issue ?

    thanks

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    Struggling with Subject of Concentration

    Posted: 30 Jul 2021 09:02 AM PDT

    I understand that the mind wanders, it's what it does. I dislike it is phrased as "ego" as if it is a false entity distinct from consciousness though - thoughts and feelings are generated by consciousness and seem to inform consciousness of our survival, they are necessary for survival and existential purpose, in fact. "Monkey mind" is just negative thought/feeling but sometimes we need to be pessimistic to recognise danger or where life leads us to a dead end.

    Anyway, I understand that the mind wanders but meditation practitioners often say "do not try to silence the mind, let it wander" however also that the way I would let my mind wander during other activities and periods of silence, isolation and doing nothing or very little is not conducive to meditation. I need a "subject" for the mind to concentrate on otherwise it is not meditation (coincidentally this actually means controlling the mind, not letting it wander in my view).

    However, these subjects are typically either breathing or body awareness. Breathing is a sturdy subject but for the fact there is too much time in between breaths for my mind not to wander, so this is not sufficient. You know that meditation exercise where you count ten breaths but for each time your mind wanders you return to zero? For me it is literally "zero, zero, zero [ad infinitum]". Body awareness is not a sturdy subject for me at all because the sensations (like from correct posture) are very dull or fleeting unless you are in total ecstasy (e.g. sex) or pain (e.g. exercise). This does not give me anything substantial to focus on in between breaths.

    So then that leaves what, mantras, e.g. compassion mantras? But mantras are literally words so that for me is a thought because anything I can imagine which can be verbalised I class as a thought, including thoughts about philosophy, meta-cognition and mantras. I google searched for subjects for concentration in meditation, I could only find heart chakra. But I suck at imagining my heart lighting up or my spine connected to the heavens by thread, it doesn't do anything for my mind to focus on.

    So, I realised recently that I do not actually have a tangible subject for meditation.

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